Thursday, 20 January, 2022

Laurent Munerot (U2P): “In companies, concerns have risen a notch since the introduction of the curfew”


For the president of the U2P, Laurent Munerot, the social summit this Monday in Matignon must lead to a readjustment of the consultations. On occupational health, teleworking or professional retraining, discussions must continue. Unemployment insurance and pensions files must, on the other hand, wait, according to him.

Dental technician by profession, Laurent Munerot took over as head of U2P in early July 2020, replacing Alain Griset, appointed Minister of SMEs.

What do you expect from the social summit this Monday with Jean Castex?

The situation surrounding this summit has changed compared to the previous one, four months ago. No doubt confidence in the near future is less strong than at that time. On certain subjects of the social agenda, already underway, we understand that it is necessary to continue consultations or negotiations, on occupational health or teleworking for example. This is also the case for professional retraining, which we must achieve quickly.

On other subjects, of course, one can wonder if it is still opportune to tackle them. I am thinking of pensions in particular. It is paradoxical because we know that the more we exempt from charges, the more we do partial activity and the more we dig the hole. However, it is not essential to resolve this immediately. We will do the accounts when the epidemic is gone. Today, the important thing for us is to obtain greater visibility on the activity. My concern is to safeguard as many businesses and jobs as possible.

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What about unemployment insurance? Is it urgent to wait or should the reform even watered down on January 1, 2021 be applied?

I am not sure that the reform is very urgent even if the U2P remains in favor. It is a sensitive subject for some representative organizations [syndicales, NDLR] and it is not worth going to set fire when we already know the difficulties of activity.

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On the sharing of value, what form could a “simplified variable remuneration system for TPE” take on which the Ministry of Labor has asked the social partners to work on?

For now, the easiest way to reward employees in the companies we represent is the bonus, of the Macron bonus type, tax-exempt and desocialized.

Do you have an estimate of the risks of bankruptcy among the sectors you represent?

It is very difficult to give figures. Many businesses are on a drip and concern has escalated since the curfew was introduced. Beyond hotels, cafes and restaurants, many other sectors are seriously affected. Everything will depend on the sustainability of aid and the behavior of insurance companies or banks. The latter seem to want to accept a two-year grace period and a four-year clearance of loans guaranteed by the State. We want this to be in the hands of the company, especially since it will happen in parallel with the deferrals of social charges for which the Urssaf has not played the game. six months of contributions while a spread over three years is possible, without even offering them! It is not normal for the business manager to take the step.

The government had to improve almost month after month the support measures for the sectors most affected by the health measures. How long can this last?

What is already needed is for the latest measures to take effect, even if the government is very responsive. Every day we realize that there are holes in the racket which forces us to intervene to take into account trades that we had not thought of. The more intense recourse to teleworking is also shifting the lines. We understand that we have to find a solution between the solidarity fund, loans or other measures, but it is starting to last. The situation is starting to become tense in our professions. I have met photographers who ask for RSA in addition to aid!

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What are the most urgent gaps to fill?

The issue of rents has been on the table since April. We have to get it done quickly. We understand the donors who have invested. Certain measures, such as the rental exemption tax credit, can help them. We can also consider sharing the costs between them, the tenant companies and the State. One can imagine, for example, that the rent remains proportional to the company’s income, especially for traders. We should emerge in the coming days because everyone knows that at one point it’s either that or nothing.

Will it also be necessary to extend beyond December 31 the zero charge for companies that use partial activity?

I’m afraid of it, unfortunately. The holiday season is very intense for our members. If the sanitary measures are not relaxed then, it will be catastrophic. Everyone’s responsibility will be paramount so that we do not find ourselves in confinement immediately afterwards. In the meantime, the question of maintaining lists of eligible professions at zero remains up to [S1 et S1 bis, NDLR] can arise when the curfew is extended to this point and affects an even greater number of professions by ricochet.

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For the president of the U2P, Laurent Munerot, the social summit this Monday in Matignon must lead to a readjustment of the consultations. On occupational health, teleworking or professional retraining, discussions must continue. Unemployment insurance and pensions files must, on the other hand, wait, according to him.

Dental technician by profession, Laurent Munerot took over as head of U2P in early July 2020, replacing Alain Griset, appointed Minister of SMEs.

What do you expect from the social summit this Monday with Jean Castex?

The situation surrounding this summit has changed compared to the previous one, four months ago. No doubt confidence in the near future is less strong than at that time. On certain subjects of the social agenda, already underway, we understand that it is necessary to continue consultations or negotiations, on occupational health or teleworking for example. This is also the case for professional retraining, which we must achieve quickly.

On other subjects, of course, one can wonder if it is still opportune to tackle them. I am thinking of pensions in particular. It is paradoxical because we know that the more we exempt from charges, the more we do partial activity and the more we dig the hole. However, it is not essential to resolve this immediately. We will do the accounts when the epidemic is gone. Today, the important thing for us is to obtain greater visibility on the activity. My concern is to safeguard as many businesses and jobs as possible.

Read also:

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What about unemployment insurance? Is it urgent to wait or should the reform even watered down on January 1, 2021 be applied?

I am not sure that the reform is very urgent even if the U2P remains in favor. It is a sensitive subject for some representative organizations [syndicales, NDLR] and it is not worth going to set fire when we already know the difficulties of activity.

Read also:

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On the sharing of value, what form could a “simplified variable remuneration system for TPE” take on which the Ministry of Labor has asked the social partners to work on?

For now, the easiest way to reward employees in the companies we represent is the bonus, of the Macron bonus type, tax-exempt and desocialized.

Do you have an estimate of the risks of bankruptcy among the sectors you represent?

It is very difficult to give figures. Many businesses are on a drip and concern has escalated since the curfew was introduced. Beyond hotels, cafes and restaurants, many other sectors are seriously affected. Everything will depend on the sustainability of aid and the behavior of insurance companies or banks. The latter seem to want to accept a two-year grace period and a four-year clearance of loans guaranteed by the State. We want this to be in the hands of the company, especially since it will happen in parallel with the deferrals of social charges for which the Urssaf has not played the game. six months of contributions while a spread over three years is possible, without even offering them! It is not normal for the business manager to take the step.

The government had to improve almost month after month the support measures for the sectors most affected by the health measures. How long can this last?

What is already needed is for the latest measures to take effect, even if the government is very responsive. Every day we realize that there are holes in the racket which forces us to intervene to take into account trades that we had not thought of. The more intense recourse to teleworking is also shifting the lines. We understand that we have to find a solution between the solidarity fund, loans or other measures, but it is starting to last. The situation is starting to become tense in our professions. I have met photographers who ask for RSA in addition to aid!

Read also:

The recovery plan often deemed too complex by traders, artisans and liberal

What are the most urgent gaps to fill?

The issue of rents has been on the table since April. We have to get it done quickly. We understand the donors who have invested. Certain measures, such as the rental exemption tax credit, can help them. We can also consider sharing the costs between them, the tenant companies and the State. One can imagine, for example, that the rent remains proportional to the company’s income, especially for traders. We should emerge in the coming days because everyone knows that at one point it’s either that or nothing.

Will it also be necessary to extend beyond December 31 the zero charge for companies that use partial activity?

I’m afraid of it, unfortunately. The holiday season is very intense for our members. If the sanitary measures are not relaxed then, it will be catastrophic. Everyone’s responsibility will be paramount so that we do not find ourselves in confinement immediately afterwards. In the meantime, the question of maintaining lists of eligible professions at zero remains up to [S1 et S1 bis, NDLR] can arise when the curfew is extended to this point and affects an even greater number of professions by ricochet.

Read also:

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